What’s in a name?

What happened when Scamp became Manley Camp?

James Scamp started life in Plymouth, Devon in 1820 as the son of a shipwright, moved to Cornwall where he became a teetotal Wesleyan minister and married the daughter of a publican! They moved to one of the poorest areas of London, the location of Oliver Twist (1837) by Charles Dickens, where they worked as teachers in a church school. On the journey, he changed his name to from James Scamp to James Manley Camp and that is how the family was known from then on. This fresh start led to a long and interesting life as he became a Baptist minister, visiting preacher and a vocal member of the Liberation party and Total Abstinence Union.

This blog is part of The Scamp One Name Study, if you have any Scamp information you wish to share or have any queries about the Scamp family please contact me at scamp@one-name.org

It is also part of the 2020 GOONS Blog Challenge #GOONSblogchallenge and also the 52 Ancestors in 52 weeks 2020 challenge #52Ancestors – Fresh Start

If Only

This biography would have been a lot easier to write, if the author could have been at James’ talk in October 1883, entitled “Reminiscences of a chequered career” where he reviewed his life from his boyhood upwards, with a short review of his ministerial training and subsequent labours!

Born in Devon

James was born James Scamp in Plymouth, Devon on May 21 1820 to Thomas & Mary Scamp. Thomas was a self-employed shipwright with work at the Navy dockyard and Mary was originally Mary Manley  born in Halifax, Nova Scotia. In the 1841 census deciphering James’ occupation is difficult, but it looks like an apprentice teacher.

Life in Cornwall

On 5 April 1847, (aged 26) he married Elizabeth Noel in Redruth, Cornwall as James Scamp. They married at the Teetotal Wesleyan Connexion Chapel, Copperhouse, Hayle, Phillack. There was a large Wesleyan ministry in Cornwall and a big debate began about whether Wesleyans should be teetotal. In 1842, a group of about 600 ministers separated from the main methodist church in Cornwall and organised as the Teetotal Wesleyan Methodists. James was listed on his first child’s birth certificate as a teetotal Wesleyan minister.

This first child, born in 1847 in Penzance in Cornwall was named Ina Manley Scamp.

The stench of Bermondsey and the task of school teaching

The family moved north in about 1849-50, to Bermondsey, by the Thames River in south-east London where both James and Elizabeth worked as schoolteachers in Christchurch School, Neckinger Road. They now used the surname Manley Camp. The family lived in the Christchurch schoolhouse. Their 2nd son Horace died from Bronchitus exhaustion when he was 6 months old.

“The air has literally the smell of a graveyard”
Jacob’s Island about 1840

Christchurch was a new church built in 1848, with a school attached, to serve Jacob’s Island by the River Thames. It was an extremely poor and unhealthy area, described as “The very capital of cholera and “The Venice of drains” by Henry Mayhew in The Morning Chronicle in 1849. Spared by the fire of London (1666), the buildings were extremely old and unfit for habitation, and about a hundred years behind the slums that surrounded it. Fed by an old river, the Neckinger, which had become an open sewer, a number of fetid drains made the land an unsavoury island and two hundred years of the local tanning industry filled the air with “sulpharated hydrogen” and “hydrosulphate of ammonia”

The article in the Morning Chronicle was syndicated across Britain and was discussed in Parliament. Henry Mayhew started collating his famous work, London labour and the London poor.

Brideswell Hospital – prison and school

James and Elizabeth next became master and mistress of the Brideswell School (by 1856). As part of the ancient “Brideswell Hospital”, the school aimed to reform the juvenile criminal, it was next to the famous prison (which closed in 1855).The school changed its name and its approach in 1860 to King Edwards School and aimed to prevent crime by the training it provided. The school is still flourishing but moved to Godalming, Surrey.

Away from London

In 1858, James and Elizabeth were selected to open the New School in Peterchurch, Herefordshire and to be the first master and mistress. About 20-30 children attended and there was accommodation for the Manley Camps and their growing family. His first externally reported speech (so far found!) was a free talk about the Druids in his schoolroom in 1859, after much applause the audience ran out before a collection could be made! The local Baptist minister died in 1859 and James started preaching in the baptist chapel. In October 1859, he was referred to as Reverend.

Life as a Baptist Minister another fresh start

Peterchurch Baptist Chapel

A report in the Hereford Journal in January 1860 stated that James had been sacked by the trustees of the New School. He then became the Peterchurch Baptist Minister, Reverend James Manley Camp. He undertook an open air river “Believers Baptism” for 6 believers later that year, which was attended by about 800 people. His eloquence as a speaker is mentioned.

Back to London

By 1871, (aged 50) he was the Baptist minister at Burtons Hill Woolwich. In around 1876 he then moved to become the Pastor of the small Medway Chapel in Rotherhithe, whose annual report of 1879 stated that

“ We are fully convinced that if the walls of this chapel were enlarged to admit 6 times the number, Mr Camp’s eloquence would be equal to filling the place.”  

Medway Chapel from a painting in the British Library

Medway Chapel lay in an out of the way corner, behind the Red Lion, Deptford Lower Road and was one of the oddest places of worship in South London. It was an old fashioned cottage with a door in the middle and entered through a porch. A large fireplace faced you as you entered and on the right a steep short staircase led to the low gallery which ran 3 sides around the building. There was very little space between the roof and the heads in the back row! It could hold about 250 people and had originally stood in the middle of a field .

Speaking further afield – a true orator

In addition James had started featuring as the guest preacher at other churches, e.g. Leamington Spa, Ross on Wye, Milton in Gravesend, Deptford etc.

He also spoke on other topics, for example: Livingstone – Philanthropist and Explorer, The Priest in Absolution, Disestablishment – what we mean by it and why we want it, The trials and victories of civil and religious liberty, The right to God’s Acre, Imperialism and its cost, William Gladstone, John Bright and more. His talk on “Chinese” Gordon was particularly well received as he had met the General, probably when he taught at Ragged and Sunday School in Gravesend when he was Colonel of Engineers.

He became a member of the Liberation Society which was an organisation that campaigned for disestablishment of the Church of England. It supported the Liberal party and James often spoke in support of local liberal candidates.

He was said to have a way of carrying his audience away on a flood tide of vigorous language –

“Give him a congenial topic, social or political, and it is marvellous to witness the effect produced upon his listeners!

In 1880, the Midway Chapel threw a huge tea party to celebrate their pastor’s 60th birthday. He left the Chapel in July that year accompanied by another tea party and sad farewells.

James then returned to Neckinger Road, Bermondsey. and took on the Baptist Chapel Church there. His speech to his congregation in 1881 on the evils of “tattling” i.e. gossiping, was described as humorous but telling. He was soon involved with the local Liberal party too, speaking in favour of the local candidates for election.

Backing total abstinence

In June 1882, James was at the inagaural meeting of the Southwark Total Abstinence Union. Abstinence from alcohol was a growing movement in England at this time, advocated particularly for the working man, and the meeting was supported by a number of members of parliament. James was also involved in the local “Tea Festival”, admission a penny for a songsheet. Sixty people took the “Blue Ribbon” temperance pledge after James spoke in Gravesend later in 1882

The Ebenezer Chapel (possibly), now demolishsed

By 1883, he was also pastor of the Ebenezer Baptist Chapel in Abbey Street, Bermondsey, which ran an educational Sunday School.

In 1884 James starts “freelance” preaching in and around Gravesend, Kent, and speaking for the LIberal Party in Sussex, so he may have retired as the Bermondsey baptist pastor. By the 1891 census James had definately retired.

He died in 1898, after a fall in which he cut his arm and got blood poisoning, He was survived by his wife Elizabeth, who had followed him around the country for over 50 years. She bore him seven children

Ina Manley b 1848

Horace Noell b 1850 d 1851

Helena Jane b 1853

Percy Havant b 1857

Elizabeth Noell 1862

Flora McDonald 1867

whose baptisms follow James’ progress around the country. But their story is for another time.

Sources

www.scielo.br on Henry Mayhew

https://www.herefordbaptist.org.uk

https://www.londonlives.org/static/Bridewell.jsp

O’Donoghue, E. G. Bridewell Hospital, Palace, Prison, Schools, Vol. 2: From the Death of Elizabeth to Modern Times.

https://www.victorianlondon.org/districts/bermondsey.htm

Ancestry.com

http://edithsstreets.blogspot.com/2014/11/london-and-greenwich-railway-bermondsey.html

British Newspaper Archive

https://religion.wikia.org/wiki/New_Connexion_of_General_Baptists

https://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/search-resources/special-collections/guide-to-special-collections/methodist

http://russiadock.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-ebenezer-chapel-and-dockland.html

New Marriage Challenge! Stratford upon Avon Registration District 1837-1911.

Undertaking a marriage challenge is one of the services that members of the Guild of One Name Studies provide to each other. A member volunteers to look up the details of specific marriages in the parish registers within a registration district. This can really help when you have identified a marriage of interest on a site such as FreeBMD and would love to have the extra details that the parish marriage register contains.

These might include: age, status, address and occupation of the bridal couple, the date of the wedding, fathers’ names and occupations, witnesses names.

It can get very expensive to buy all the certificates for a one name study and the archive holding the parish registers you need may be too far to travel for you to do the research yourself, so a helping hand from another member is very welcome.

This is will my first marriage challenge and I am looking forward to finding out what members would like researched. If you are a GOONS member but you haven’t done this before either, this is how is works:


Requests to hunnisett@one-name.org. Deadline for Requests: 25 Apr 2019

Requests using the standard Excel template much preferred.  This is to be found under Guild Services/Marriage Challenge on the Guild website.  I will accept other formats but please provide

·  Year

·  Quarter (please use 1, 2, 3, 4 – this makes it sortable by date. Do not add Q; do not use month names)

·  Surname (please use UPPER CASE)

·  First Names (please use Mixed Case)

·  GRO Volume Number

·  GRO Page Number   

Requests to hunnisett@one-name.org.

N.B. Any entries already on Ancestry or FindMyPast, will not be researched, so please check beforehand if at all possible. Warwickshire marriages are in the process of being transcribed by both organisations but date ranges vary, some parishes are missing and some entries are banns rather than marriages. The 3 Anglican churches in Stratford upon Avon itself are not covered by either.

Our first loss in the Great War

Frederick William Honeysett (43968) was a driver in K Battery of the Royal Horse Artillery and he was killed in the retreat from Antwerp, in Belgium on 20 October 1914. He was on active service in Flanders for only 12 days and was 26. He appears to be the earliest loss in the extended Honeysett/Hunnisett family.

Frederick joined the regular army in 1907, when he was 19. He had been a groom and his father was a coachman, so the Royal Horse Artillery looked a good fit. The RHA manned the lighter mobile horse drawn guns (the Royal Field Artillery had bigger guns!) and usually each battery supported a cavalry brigade.

Frederick and his original X battery were stationed in Mdhow, India in the 1911 census. His new battery, K, was in the Cavalry Barracks at Christchurch, Dorset on the 01 August 1914 and they were quickly mobilised.

K Battery landed at Ostend, Belgium on 08 October 1914 as part of the XVth Brigade RHA supporting the 7th Cavalry Brigade. They then moved to Bruge.

K Battery arrived in a retreat or was it a rout?

The Belgians had been overrun by the German Army and supported by French forces and the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) were retreating towards the Yser River, close to the border with France. Each side was trying to keep the advantage of sea access along the Yser River and the Leperlee (canal to Ypres from the sea).

On the “Lives of the first world war” website, Frederick’s entry has this information about his death written by the History Officer, K Battery, RA.

“Dvr Honeysett was killed in the wagon line as the battery prepared to withdraw from Passchendale. There was no time for burial so his body was left at a farm in Moorslede”.

Both places mentioned are nor far from Ypres, slightly to the North-East.

Frederick has no known grave and is commemorated on the Menin Gate at Ypres. I have not found him on a Sussex war memorial so far. He was awarded the 14 Star medal and clasp. The 1914 star was awarded to those who had served in France or Belgium between 05 Aug to midnight 22nd November 1914. The clasp was an additional award for those who had operated within range of enemy mobile artillery in the same time period. However the clasp had to be claimed personally, so Frederick would never have received it. In addition he was awarded the British War and Victory Medals.

He had given his father, Henry, as his next of kin and he received £22 3s 2d on behalf of his son.

Frederick’s family

Frederick William was born in 1888 to Henry & Kate Honeysett. He had an older brother, Harry, several younger sisters and two younger brothers, Charles and Jack. They lived in Mountfield, Sussex (near Battle) where Henry was a coachman. Frederick, Charles and Jack all joined the armed services either before the war or very early on.

Harry (b. 1886)

Harry is a little difficult to trace, so if you know any more, please contribute. By the 1901 census he’d left home and was a servant at Manor House Stables in Bexhill. A Harry Honeysett is then found in the Waterford area of Ireland where he was prosecuted for driving a motor car without due care and attention in 1905 and 1907 and paid the fines for doing so. This man is also on the 1911 Irish census in Waterford with the profession of a mechanic and born in England. Although he sounds just the kind of man the Army would want, I haven’t pinned him down yet!

Possible census entry for Harry on the 1911 Irish census

Charles Traughton (b. 1897)

Eridge Castle

Charles T signed up in Maidstone on 15 November 1915 on his enlistment paper he added an extra “n” to his surname, Honneysett and kept it like that for the rest of his life. He had been living and working at Eridge Castle, as a labourer and joined the Royal West Kent Regiment as a Private.  He started in the 9th Battalion (reserve) and then was transferred to the 11th (service). He was trained in England until the start of May 1916 and then was transferred to France as part of the BEF.

His battalion engaged in these battles in 1916:

Flers-Courcelette 15-22 Sep – this was 3rd main phase of the battle of the Somme, it was also the first time tanks were used. The purpose was to punch a hole in the German defences which it did not achieve decisively and poor weather then stopped further assaults.

Translory Ridges 1-18 Oct – this was the last big attack in the Battle of the Somme in 1916 by the BEF and French forces with 159.000 allied casualties. The landscape by now had been destroyed and the weather very poor. The ground was described as a morass of liquid yellow-grey mud – men on foot were coated to the knees and movement off the roads became impossible. Guns jammed and provisions got soaked.

Charles survived for 161 days on the Somme before being transferred back to England. On 24 April 1917, he was discharged as medically unfit for service due to his wounds.

He received the British War and the Victory medals and also the Silver War Badge . This last was awarded to those who were honourably discharged due to sickness or injury.

After the war Charles married Florence A Lennox and they had a son, Harry Charles in March 1922. Unfortunately Florence died in 1928. Charles remarried in 1929 in Hampshire to Christine Sarah Violet Case. They had a daughter, Joy in 1931, another child’s details are closed on the 1939 “census”.
In 1939, the family were living in Gosport, Hampshire and Charles was working as a storehouse assistant in Naval Ammunitions, this was considered heavy work. Harry was an apprentice painter and decorator.

Is Charles your ancestor? Can you add more details to the story?

Jack Leonard (b.1894)

Jack signed up for the Royal Navy on 09 June 1913 for a 12 year engagement. His records call him John, which is of course the formal name that has a diminutive of Jack, but Jack Leonard Honeysett was baptised as just that. He had been working as a gardener and motor driver and been living at home.

He trained as a stoker and survived the war. He extended his service until March 1929, when he retired as a Leading Stoker. The Royal Navy advertised for recruits in the local newspapers pre-war and often led the adverts with a request for stokers.

He served on many ship during the war, some of them were:

HMS Dominion

Dominion – a battleship that operated as part of the Northern Patrol in 1914. This force formed a blockade to stop German trade

Aragon – a converted Royal Mail ship, she served as a troop ship taking part in the Gallipoli Campaign in 1915. Sunk in 1917, luckily Jack was elsewhere by then

Hecla – was a converted civilian should used as an offshore depot, when Jack was on the ship it was supporting the Second Destroyer Flotilla based in Belfast.

Hawkins- large battleship commissioned in 1917, based in the China Station. Her boilers were changed from coal fired to oil in December 1929, the prospect may have prompted Jack to retire!

He received the 14-15 star, awarded to those who served between 05 August 2014 and 31st December 2015. He also received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

After the war, Jack married Violet E E Walter in 1921.
He is found in the 1939 “census” living in Battle on Banks Farm as a RN pensioner. Jack was divorced.

Jack and Violet had one son, Derrick Jack born in 1922. In 1939 he was living in Battle with his mother, working as a clerk for a gypsom company and also working as a ARP dispatch rider.

Is Jack your ancestor, can you add more to the story?

Deep Ancestry

I have traced this branch of the family back to 1795 to a Warbleton,Sussex based family

This blog is part of an ongoing series providing the stories around the lives and families of those Honeysetts and Hunnisetts who died in the the Great War.

Find out more about your Hunnisetts and Honeysetts at http://hunnisett.one-name.net

It is also part of the 52 ancestors in 52 weeks challenge – First

Sources – in addition to Ancestry, FindMyPast and the GRO, these sources have been particularly useful

http://www.greatwar.co.uk/medals/ww1-campaign-medals.htm

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie

http://www.lostheritage.org.uk/

www.curme.co.uk

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Hunnisett ? Well that’s an unusual name!

That’s what I often heard when I gave my new (just married!) surname. I had studied my own family history for a couple of years but this new name raised a new challenge. What about doing a one name family study?

I started with more questions than answers:

  • How unusual is it?
  • How big a study would that be?
  • Where do I start?
  • How do I record it?
  • Help!!!!!!

One bite at a time

Luckily, help was at hand. I found a Pharos Tutors course run by the Guild of One-Name Studies called Introduction to One Name Studies  and I immediately started learning how to eat an elephant.

Firstly how big is the elephant?

My first course taught me how to work out how big a task it was likely to be and gave me some good ideas on where to start. I learnt that my Hunnisett/Honeysett plus umpteen spellings study was deemed to be in the Small size and with quite a defined geographical location in the 19th century censuses. Emminently devourable in small bites!

How to digest your elephant

The Guild of One Name Studies was my next mentor. I joined and read all the material I could find on what recording systems to use, what records to start with and how not to get indigestion by eating too much at a time. Plus reassurance that you could start wherever you wanted and even find others to help.

I looked at recording systems; spreadsheets gave lots of flexibility and the Custodian4 database was used by some members and their user information gave good recommendations about how to structure an identification system for individuals, households and branch lines. So I bought it.

Deep breath. Then I started. In the middle. And worked backwards and forwards.

There was actually a method to this. I thought I could cope with the number of individuals recorded on the UK 1851 census, the first to give birth locations, family relationships and reasonably accurate ages. Then I could match against the 1841 and 1861 censuses, using birth and marriage records to build my family groupings and then branches. The Guild reassured me that I didn’t need to have all the answers so I became brave enough to register a one-name study and offer to answer research questions.

To see my profile page on the Guild’s website, type Hunnisett in the search box at the top of the page

I continued researching going back to the early 1500’s and forward to the 1881 census. But what to do with my multiple spreadsheets, Custodian database and branch family trees on paper (381 years worth), never mind progressing with further censuses and even onto emigrants. The elephant was beginning to get out of hand.

Getting smarter

The Guild then ran a set of webinars which helped me onto the next steps. One of the seminars was about setting up a one-name website of your own. Quite a scary concept!

They encouraged and supported me to set up a one-name website backed by its own database, TNG. The Guild manages the hosting and website upgrades and will take over the management and preserve the data when I no longer can. What a relief!

Here’s the link to my one-name website

It’s a work in progress as I am double checking all the data & sources before inputting it – I’ve learnt a lot since I started it.

But what about the stories I have uncovered?

Deep breath (again) and I set up a blog, where I could tell the tales of the individuals I have uncovered.This last step, only taken in November 2018 has felt like the missing link, where hopefully I bring the Honeysett/Hunnisett people to life.

The current focus is on telling the tales of the family members who died during the Great War. Many of them came from big families and their siblings also served, so I have told their stories too.

Now, how do I get people to read what I have written?

This is what I am trying.

The 52 ancestors in 52 weeks challenge. GeneaBloggersTribe on Facebook, tweeting the blogs.

This is where I need help, what’s working for you?

Died in the Great War – Hunnisetts and Honeysetts

I’ll be working on the history of the Hunnisett and Honeysett family members that died in military service during the WW1, so check back to look for new links to their stories. If you know more, please get in touch

This blog is part of the Hunnisett/Honeysett One Name Family Study

A great way to show you recognise them is to visit their record on Lives of the First World War,  and then click remember. This site will be updateable to March 2019

A HONEYSETT, d. 1917, France

Albert Arthur HONEYSETT, b. Plumstead, London, d. 07 Nov 1918, 153870

Alfred HONEYSETT,b. Polegate, Sussex,  d. 16 Oct 1917, France, G/27678*

Alfred HONEYSETT, Borden, Kent, 14 Mar 1916, G/4876

Bertram Thomas HONEYSETT, b. East Dulwich, Surrey, d. 08 Sep 1918, France, 27316*

Cecil HONEYSETT, b. Brightling, Sussex, d. 30 Jun 1916, France, SD/2706

C H HUNNISETT, d. 1917, France

Charles Vincent HUNNISETT, b. Hanover Square, London, d. 11 Sep 1916, France, 1578 OR 1518*

Edwin Edward HUNNISETT,  d. 30 Jun 1918, France, Royal Navy F 24688*

Frank Victor HONEYSETT, b. Sidley, Sussex, d. 25 Sep 1915, France, G/1711*

Frederick HUNNEYSETT, b. 1891, Hellingly, Sussex, d. 31 Dec 1917, Egypt, 282716*

Frederick George HUNNISETT,  b. 1889, Oxford, d. 01 Apr 1918, France, 285725*

Frederick John HONEYSETT, b 1891, d. 17 Oct 1917, Royal Navy, K/8193*

Frederick William HONEYSETT, b. Battle, Sussex, d. 20 Oct 1914, Belgium 43968*

George HONEYSETT, d. 1916, France

George Henry HUNNISETT, b. 1880 St Leonards, Sussex, d.22 Mar 1917, Salonika, Greece, 27424*

George Russell HONEYSETT, b. 1898 Mereworth, Kent, d. 21 Mar 1918, France, 11816*

Harmen Charles HONEYSETT, b. 1892, d. 24 Feb 1917, 1719A – Australian Infantry*

Harry HUNNISETT, b. Ripe, Sussex, d. 03 Nov 1917, Israel/Palestine, 37318*

James George HONEYSETT, b Brightling Sussex, d. 30 Jun 1916, France, SD/2707*

Robert HONEYSETT, b. 1892 Hurstmonceaux, Sussex, d. 03 Sep 1916, France, SD/599*

Sidney HONEYSETT, b. Borden, Kent, d. 26 Oct 1917,

Thomas HONEYSETT, b. Hartfield, Sussex d. 09 May 1915, France, G/1306*

William HONEYSETT, d. 31 Jul 1917, Belgium, 532347*

William HONEYSETT,b. Sidley, Sussex, d. 09 May 1915, France, G/1099*

William Henry HONEYSETT, b. Ascot Berks, d. 31 Jul 1917, Belgium, G/236/27*